Vegetarians are Shortsighted, and Vegans are Morons

Vitamin K is necessary for total health. It makes sure calcium gets to the right places in your body, and keeps calcium out of the wrong places (your arteries). Vitamin K is best in the long acting MK-7 form, and only comes from eating animals and their parts. Vitamin K allows your body to undo damage. It actually removes plaques from the arteries. It is necessary for proper jaw and skeletal formation in babies, and pelvic formation in women. If you don’t get enough of it, you are likely to see little Jimmy gorw up with breathing problems and crowded teeth.

It makes calcium re-calcify. That’s right, bones are not rocks, they are living growing parts of us they heal grow, and act as the store of calcum for the rest of the body. Do you ever see wild animlas suffering from cavities? NO! They eat whatever the hell they want to! Do you see any other predator animals dying of heart attacks? NO! I am an animal, so are you. It works fundamentally the same way. Our bodies require things from animals that you can not get in any other form. Complete protein only comes from animal sources, and if you do not get those things, your body will break down your muscles to get the amino acids it needs.

Eating animals also contributes to getting your vitamins A and D, because they all work in synergy. Moreover, it just makes sense from an evoltuinary perspective

Vieth R. The pharmacology of vitamin D, including fortification strategies. In Vitamin D, 2nd ed., Feldman D and Glorieux F (San Diego: Elsevier Academic Press, 2005) 995–1018.

Schurgers L. Regression of warfarin-induced medial elastocalcinosis by high intake of vitamin K in rats. Blood 2007 Apr, 109(7): 2823–31

Clinical case courtesy of William Davis, MD, author of WheatBelly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight and Find Your Path Back to Health, (New York: Rodale, 2011) and Track Your Plaque, 2nd ed. (New York: iUniverse, 2011).


16 thoughts on “Vegetarians are Shortsighted, and Vegans are Morons

  1. Interesting article and sources. I happen to be pursuing the vegan lifestyle and completely disagree with you.

    Two tablespoons of parsley provides more vitamin K than you need in a day, plus the body can readily absorb it especially when consuming some vitamin C simultaneously. Other plants that are high in K are spinach, cabbage, kale, and all leafy green veggies.

    Calcium is easy to absorb from many foods including kale, bok choy, soy products, beans, spinach, grains, cabbage… almost all vegetables as well as some fruits. Calcium is no challenge in a vegan or vegetarian diet. An interesting fact, consuming dairy products, such as milk, creates an acidic environment in your body causing Ca to diffuse from your bones into rest of your body to alkalize. Eating leafy greens naturally alkalizes your body assisting in the absorption of Ca.

    Spirulina, a type of blue-green algae, has the highest protein content of any food, 4 times greater than meat. Also, when cooked, meat loses about half of its protein content. We are able to absorb about 60-80% of spirulina’s protein. Still more than cooked meat. Legumes and soy are also great sources of protein.

    Many animals exist in the wild without consuming any animal products. Human beings are designed to be versatile. We can eat pretty much anything. Our roots trace back primarily as gathers and the healthiest people in the world are those who eat a vast majority a whole, plant-based foods with little to no meat and animal products. Animal products have been directly linked to many diseases such as heart disease, immune deficiency diseases and even certain types of cancer.

    Your diet and exercise regime seems to be working well for you and I have no intention on trying to convert you. But before you call vegetarians shortsighted and vegans morons, you should conduct some unbiased research on this type of lifestyle. Many people are living happy, healthy, long lives without killing any animals.

    • The type of vitamin K is what matters. The type from animlas is the superior form.

      Grains prevent, actively, the absorbtion of vital minerals in the gut. It is a measurable occurence. Therefore, the fact that grains have calcium is null and void, even if you soak, sprout, and ferment them. Phytic acid content is only marginally reduced from those preparation methods.

      There are also more superior, complete forms of protein from animal sources. Show me a grain that competes on a nutritional profile (vitamins/fiber/protein) with ANY vegetables or fatty meats/organ meats. What’s the animo acid profile for quinoa? (mere grams are unimportant)

      Less calcium and vitamin C is required eating Paleo. Grains cause problems with calcium absorption, requiring also large amounts of vitamin C to attempt to mitigate that fact.

      Can you explain to me the biological mechanism by which, as you say, “consuming dairy products, such as milk, creates an acidic environment in your body causing Ca to diffuse from your bones into rest of your body to alkalize.”?

      I’m fairly certain that covers it…

  2. The two types of organic vitamin K are K1 and K2. K1 is from plants and K2 is from animal products. Both have different purposes and neither is superior. They are both required. Bacteria in our intestines convert excess K1 into K2. Therefore, there is no need to consume animal products to get both types of vitamin K.

    Whole grains provide a ton of insoluble fiber that clean the digestive track, removing waste and excess fats. Yes, nutrients are taken along with the grains. Most people eat too many grains and they should not be relied upon for nutrient content. I promote a high veggie and high fruit diet with very little to no grains. All the good things from grains also come in vegetable form.

    In regards to milk creating a Ca deficiency, milk has PRAL (potential renal acid load) as does all animal protein. This causes the body to neutralize it before it reaches the kidneys. The body’s most readily available acid neutralizer is Ca which is taken directly from the bones, used and excreted in urine. Homogenization actually increases the acidity of milk. Statistically, osteoporosis is lower in countries that consume less dairy and highest in those that consume the most dairy. Also, casein, the primary protein of dairy products, has been directly linked to the promotion of cancer cells.

    The paleo diet is great and a lot of people have had success with it. I believe it is done best with no dairy and very little meat, used only to enhance the flavors of veggies. Diet is about frame of mind and understanding. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even us vegans.

    • Vitamin K2 MK-4 intake is strongly associated with a lower risk of cardiovascular and total mortality. Vitamin K1 (plants) was not associated with reduced mortality. In this study, Women with the highest K2 intake had the lowest level of coronary calcification. There was no association with K1. This suggests yet again, that humans aren’t very good at making the conversion from K1 to K2 MK-4. This is probably because during evolution, we always had a ready source of K2, so efficient conversion becam unnecessary. Vitamin K2 MK-4 is found almost exclusively in animal foods.

      From the text: “cheese contributed 54%, milk products 22% and meat 15% of menaquinone intake”

      Another study: MK-4 is the preferred type of K2

      Fiber is not necessary for total health, and is in fact damaging to your digestive system in large amounts found in grains. The insoluble fibers, quite literally, rupture the lining of the membranes in the intestines causing the release of mucous “moving things along”. This also causes symptoms that mirror those of irritable bowel syndrome, like bloat, cramping, diahrroea. Healthy fats “move things along” just fine, without causing gut permeability issues or immune system problems, or systemic inflammation, or rapid spikes in blood glucose. I posted plenty of discussion regarding the damaging effects of grains previously. Another. Another.

      The fact that you said “All the good things from grains also come in vegetable form.” should reveal to you the fact that grains are not necessary for total health, you just admitted that fact to yourself.

      Modern science, however, shows us more and more how deleterious they are to our health. There are continued findings of their adverse effects on every system in our body. They are only just recently beginning to look at how the other proteins in grains effect the digestive system. Gluten is only one of many.

      Dairy is a neolithic food, not paleo. Some people react to it better than others. For me, it depends on the day. I do not recommend dairy unless you can tolerate it. I would like to see the study you speak of about the “casein protein being linked to cancer”, as well as the nutritional profile of the diet they fed the subjects, if it was a controlled study.

      Also, this evidence about osteoperosis you (almost) cited must come from (I’m guessing because you left no source) an epidemiological study (merely observational of a large population), and may not take into account any other factors (diet, habits, lifestyle, etc) that may be more strongly related. But you knew that, right? A wise person would read it for themselves, and determine what else might be at play. Take it upon yourself to not just read the conclusions, but to examine the data and draw your own conclusions. A basic knowledge of statistics is also extremely useful.

      Paleo is a framework for an entire lifestyle, not merely a “diet”. What we eat plays an overwhelming role in how healthy we are, but it’s only one-part-of-many within the paleo picture. So there is not one specific prescription for what to eat. Some people do better with more veggies and less meat. Others do best with little to no carbohydrates at all and lots of meat. Either way, shunning meat (must be natural, grass fed, etc., you know the drill) for “health” reasons is shortsighted and does not make logical sense.

      • I’d just like to point out that I do not support consumption of gluten and rarely support the consumption of gluten free grains. I only mentioned grains in regards to calcium (providing a vast amount of vegetable alternatives) and quinoa protein content to make a point about plant based foods providing complete nutrition. Spirulina is my protein of choice, and veggies and fruit my fiber. There is no need to be rude.

        It is nearly impossible to conduct a study based upon one vitamin when there are a million other factors involved in human health. One of those studies was done using a questionnaire. In regards to the Rotterdam Study, they were unable to quantify endogenous menaquinone synthesis in the intestine and the vitamin K studied was primarily from cheeses and dairy, not a part of paleo.

        Studies also show heart disease being halted and reversed, diabetes being maintained without drugs, certain types of cancer growths halted and pushed into remission, all from following a whole food, plant-based diet. Check out Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn’s studies and book as well as those of his colleagues, Dr. T. Colin Campbell and his extensive study of China, as well as studies of Dr. Max Gerson. These are just the big names involved. There have been many studies done throughout Europe and Asia as well. Dr. Amy J. Lanou and her colleagues have done extensive research into the effects of dairy. I referred to her studies earlier.

        I would prefer you stick to facts, studies, and personal dietary preferences rather than insulting my ability to conduct proper research. I am incredibly well educated and capable of professional skepticism. A fun debate quickly turned into attempts at insult and undermining my abilities.

        • Campbell has been torn apart since The China Study. Downright silly to bring it up. I won’t even get into how weak his analysis was, let alone how much information he just left out or ignored. Bringing him up tells me that you have not read it, and have not questioned it’s conclusions, and therefore, have not conducted “proper research”.

          Questioning your own beliefs finds weakness in your own arguments, so that we may seek out more information and adapt our views as that information comes to light. This is what I subscribe to, the scientific method. I did not follow Paleo first, then try to reinforce my beliefs with “research” AFTER I had already decided to do it (as most people do with most things). Rather, I did the research FIRST and came to a conclusion based on the strength of the data and the validity of research. In the Paleosphere, we are constantly re-evaluating our beliefs and looking at things in new light, questioning everything. This creates the strongest knowledge base. You must ALWAYS attempt to disprove your own beliefs.

          And I definitely was not questioning the vailidity of the veg*an diet as a whole, for creating some improvement in human health. ANY diet which removes processed food, etc will result in poitive changes. I was arguing in favor for dietary sources of MK-4 K2, based on the point that conversion from K1 might be too low for full benefits to be realized. Rich dietary sources are the best bet, until the conversion rate is known to a more accurate degree.

  3. I have read the China Study and some conclusions drawn are a bit out there and do not wholly line in with the research, but the data still speaks for itself. I focused mainly on the research he used which is data compiled by the Chinese government, sheer facts, no conclusions. A friend of mine provided me with this collection of data, but I’m sure you can find it online.

    In regards to the vitamin K, vegan’s do not have vitamin K deficiencies when eating a well balanced diet. This alone is evidence to our ability to create enough K2 internally. Our only problem is B12 and as B12 comes from the ground and we wash our veggies and drink purified water, this we must supplement.

    • Just a few examples of how the data “speaks for itself”…In citing the China Study data, Campbell states that total cholesterol is “positively associated with most cancer mortality rates” and also “positively associated with animal protein intake.” However, he provides no indication that he examined or accounted for the cancer-risk-raising variables associated with cholesterol, including schistosomiasis and hepatitis B infection.

      Campbell also fails to cite direct links between animal foods themselves and cancer, relying instead on biomarkers as a liaison. Since epidemiological data can only identify trends and not cause-and-effect sequences, and because some diseases intrinsically alter blood profiles, the assumption that higher cholesterol precedes disease is also unsubstantiated. To link specific foods or a category of foods with disease requires evidence that the foods themselves—independent of confounding factors—influence disease risk; the reliance on biomarkers that only partially relate to dietary items is too indirect to yield truly meaningful conclusions.

      Campbell’s chief errors also include: Disregard for potentially critical variables in disease proliferation, “Reductionist” use of cholesterol as a disease indicator, Inaccurate representation of true diseases of affluence, and oversight of a third, potentially significant disease cluster: myocardial infarction.

      While biological models, as Campbell notes, are essential for developing a comprehensive understanding of nutrition and disease mechanisms, the ones he employs do not validate the claim that animal foods are unhealthful. The biological models he cites fail to support the three-variable chains he creates to implicate animal products with cancer, heart disease, and other chronic conditions, and his use of univariate correlations to impose these links remains unfounded.

      Moreover, the models Campbell cites center on individual biomarkers in disease mechanisms—examples of the same reductionism Campbell claims to oppose. If disease mechanisms work in a “symphony,” as Campbell has described, and if animal products are harmful in the aggregate rather than due to single nutrients, then a direct relationship between animal food consumption and disease should be identifiable.

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